Forum : Genres : Gothic

I dont like this type of music at all >.<
very sad sometimes and weird :P

It can be "sad," as you put it, but I always look at the lyrics with differnt perspectives... It also depends on what type of Gothic or Goth music you're into.

There are some good Goth rock bands, which I'm more into... like The Cure, or even Siouxie & the Banshees. Lyrics can be a bit depressing, but if you delve more into it, it doesn't always have to be. It can just more "dark" than something such as Pop music.

Much love,
Jenny

Is Gothic the same as Emo?

You know, my friend brought something to my attention. Emo kids only talk about cutting. Goth kids actually do it and don't tell anyone...

That was pointless, yes, but...

Jenny, I agree with your post.

Sweet lies and lullabies,

Brendonfreak

Some people put "emo" and "gothic" in the same category, but the music (to me anyway) is completey different when compared to each other.

Emo is a more expressive scene, where as Gothic I don't think is so expressive. The usual lyrics for songs somewhat differ as well.

Much love,
Jenny

Well, that comparison usually bothers me.. I have quite some knowledge as far as underground music is concerned and gothic and emo have nothing in common, except for perhaps same themes.

Gothic and emo are usually connected to self mutilation/cutting yourself, but it has nothing to do with the actual music, or as some like to refer to it, the lifestyle. Cutting yourself usually involves deeper emotional or psychological problems and, in my opinion, has nothing to do with the type of music you listen to.

Technically, gothic and emo are nothing alike either. Gothic is a music style which arose in the early 80's, as a variety to gothic rock (note how these two seem to be the same, but are not!), a sub genre of postpunk. There are various types such as lolita and victorian gothic as far as dressing is concerned. Typical gothic bands are for instance Bauhaus and the aforementioned Siouxsie Sioux.

Emo is a relatively newer form which arose in the 90's, combining metalcore with emotional overtones, by which it is quite noticable to say that metalcore already is a mix of hardcore and metal. In emo music the vocalists switch between clean, usually high-pitched vocals and screams (not grunts). Gothic music is usually melancholic, the bands in fact try to create a melancholic atmosphere.

Note how gothic usually has nothing to do with satanist, in fact: most of them are atheist or agnost.

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>brendonfreak wrote:
Is Gothic the same as Emo?

You know, my friend brought something to my attention. Emo kids only talk about cutting. Goth kids actually do it and don't tell anyone...

That was pointless, yes, but...

Jenny, I agree with your post.

Sweet lies and lullabies,

Brendonfreak

well i acutally don't like gothic or emo! sure some of those kids have problems and mabey thats why they're goth or emo, but why do they have to act so stupid and cut themselfs and do stupid stuff like that?! sorry if your emo or gothic and i offended you but it's my opinion!

Wolf just said what I couldn't! I agree with all of that.

But you must realize that people who listen to either of the two do not all "act so stupid."

The topic of cutting yourself is a whole other issue and should not just be associated with this stereotype, genre, and/or scene. I find it ridiculous that it is.

I agree with Jenny.
But for people who don't like goths, you're right, it's not right for them to cut, but at the same time it's their choice. You don't have to like them if you don't want to, but you don't have to call them freaks for doing it.
As for the music. I like some and I don't. But I'm really open to all types so I don't care :D

I'm more into gothic metal... bands like Tristania and Lacuna Coil. Both from Europe (when it comes to creating gothic atmosphere, folks from Europe are way better than USAns, IMHO).

Evanescence is good too, though they're more of a cross-over band.
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>Jenny Lindeman wrote:
why do they have to act so stupid and cut themselfs and do stupid stuff like that?!
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Hmm... Seems like not so many people have the ability to switch their perspective these days...

Well that's interesting i didn't know The Cure was Goth their music is great, yeah the term weird wasnt very nice.

And about the cutting thingy it's just pointless imo

Maybe this is just my opinoin, but I don't think The Cure is purely Gothic Rock, although, that is one of their genres. They've incorperated other genres in their music as well! :) And yes, I agree with you... their music is great.

Loves,
Jenny
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>neto wrote:
Well that's interesting i didn't know The Cure was Goth their music is great, yeah the term weird wasnt very nice.

And about the cutting thingy it's just pointless imo

Yeah actually i dont really care what the genre is, i like almost all of them they all have great songs.

If you're looking to compare the two genres of music then here are a list of bands for each category.

Goth Rock:
Bauhaus
Siouxsie Sioux
Moonspell (my favorite)
The Banshees

Goth Metal:
Nightwish (my favorite)
Lacuna Coil
Opeth


Emotional Goth and/or "EMO":
Hawthorne Heights
My Chemical Romance
Blink 182
Red Jumpsuit Apparatus


Please note:
Listen to the lyrics carefully, and you will see that they are nothing like one another.

As for people cutting themselves.....this has nothing to do with music, but the lifestyles that people choose to live, and would be better if swayed away from that topic due to the fact that this is a site of musical interests and not lifestyle choices.

SIN-cerely,
Astro Vamp
"Looking towards the stars for the true meaning of life."

The problem with categorising rock music is that it usually involves multiple genres. If you ask me, Blink 182 has nothing to do with emo but is just a crappy punk/pop crossover.

my chemical romance isnt a goth nor emo band...their post hardcore metal
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>Astro Vamp wrote:
If you're looking to compare the two genres of music then here are a list of bands for each category.

Goth Rock:
Bauhaus
Siouxsie Sioux
Moonspell (my favorite)
The Banshees

Goth Metal:
Nightwish (my favorite)
Lacuna Coil
Opeth


Emotional Goth and/or "EMO":
Hawthorne Heights
My Chemical Romance
Blink 182
Red Jumpsuit Apparatus


Please note:
Listen to the lyrics carefully, and you will see that they are nothing like one another.

As for people cutting themselves.....this has nothing to do with music, but the lifestyles that people choose to live, and would be better if swayed away from that topic due to the fact that this is a site of musical interests and not lifestyle choices.

SIN-cerely,
Astro Vamp
"Looking towards the stars for the true meaning of life."

I agree with Wolf. Blink 182 shouldn't even be mentioned under this genre. As for My Chemical Romance... I don't know too much about them.

Much love,
Jenny

I have to disagree with Astro Vamp. Nightwish is more of a power metal band.

According to Toumas Holopainen the songwriter, it's "melodic heavy metal with a female vocalist".

I'd describe them as a symphonic power metal band.

Agreed.
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>Apocavis wrote:


I'd describe them as a symphonic power metal band.